As you say immigration pressures will only increase. I think what we have got catastrophically wrong in the West is the conflation of citizenship with residency/work permits. Other parts of the world realise the need for foreign labour and permit them to reside in the country on visas/passes etc. But the idea that they will inevitably become citizens or overstay their welcome is out of the question. We catastrophically undervalued the worth of citizenship in our 'imagined communities' and gave away passports like confetti. Historically this will be seen as a disastrous decision. We should have been far more discerning.
Recent events have made me reconsider moving abroad. I spent much of my 20s living overseas but now have quite a geographically static job. I am looking to change that so I can live somewhere where I am not loathed, taxed to the hilt, and have to suffer ever-worsening infrastructure. I'm about as patriotic as they come but I fail to see the benefit in being so. The world has changed, and it's stupid not to change with it.
Very true- when I lived in Taiwan I met a few Filipinos, they were on (IIRC) 5 year, non-renewable work visas which would not get them permanent residence or any path the citizenship (my own work visa was also pretty limited, I remember being told if you lost your job you had 30 (>?) days to find a new one or you'd be deported!)
I am a Canadian. I studied English history and literature in high school. I love English culture. I speak English as my first language although I have an Italian heritage. I would like England to remain English even if it is smaller as a result of a declining birth rate. I DON'T want England to become another Nigeria or Pakistan but with a British accent!
Well said! We haven't even gotten to the stage of discussing the issue. It's much easier and convenient to call any debate "racist" as you said. Dublin is in the midst of a massive migration problem - far too large for our resourses. .Many are illegal immigrants that got turfed out of the U.K because they didn't want to go to Rwanda. So, what's being done? Freeze! Nothing is being done as the number of people keep flooding in for a better life. I'd be happy if they started with safety. The police force is not equipped for the new problems that arise. Overall, the country is in chaos and like you said, it's all swept under the carpet.
I’m heading to Brazil probably. Son has dual nationality. As far away from Islam as I can possibly get even if their government is as corrupt wacko and commie as ours.
Yeah had thought of that too but don’t know enough about the migrants issue. There’s a company that arranges hotdesk work home schooling too for various tax efficient locations which sounds interesting includes Portugal
In 2015-16 Dr Rafaelo Pantucci at RUSI ran a research series on Countering the Lone Actor Terrorist. One key finding is: these people are always second-generation immigrants, who decide they do not fit in here, try going to where their parents came from and do not fit in there, then radicalise. All the attacks this century have been by this group: they were all born here when the immigrant group was much smaller. In the last 20 years, the official estimate is 10million new arrivals. If they each have only 2 children and one tenth of one percent radicalise to the point of violence, that is 10000 people. Sobering.
Of course. You want a BMW, nice house, nice wife(s) and kids (lots) going to school. You aint' going to get that on welfare or picking strawberries on some farm.
Certainly not from those well-known, liberal welfare nations of the middle east, the sub-continent, and most of Africa. The UK is giving away citizenship and welfare like sweets, just not to the native taxpayer and citizen. Very troubling indeed. :(
A big 'pull' is the (not unjustified) view that if they make it to the west they will get lots of freebies from the welfare states. I don't agree that nothing can be done to stop migration, if these benefits were removed (e.g. the school where I work has numerous students who are the children of migrants and/or were born overseas- maybe they should be charged for schooling) it would reduce numbers.
At the end of the day I want the British natives to remain a majority of the UK population (on current trends we will be a minority in a few decades).
Well, maybe those young people really ought to travel as a part of their basic education (un-steered by the authorities); get an idea of what family life is like in the great abroad; recognise that, for the most part, that everyone else is broadly just like us (and this takes a bit of contemplation); return and help think it all through in a useful, lifelong manner.
During Roman times migrants had to make a case why they would benefit society. Turning up was not enough. Sweden are making changes to migration criteria. If it works, the rest of Europe will follow.
I forget what the going rate for a boat trip is - 2000$?
The price will rise if push back from the borders (at some point) - 5000$ - 10,000$ that will kill the trade as unaffordable.
So currently it is affordable perhaps with support from local incumbents and not much resistance from our so called government.
The government purse is empty apparently, outside of printing, so squeeze the middle classes a bit more until GDP goes further down the toilet.
For us 'gammons' who were brought up on WWI and WWII and still love London and our country its hard to say - dump it and become 'a foreigner in a foreign land'.
Maybe I can fight the good fight from afar (words) without risk of the 'thought police' or 'Ministry of Truth' - good god dusting down 1984 by Mr Orwell - unfortunately he seem prescient but off with the timing (forgiven). Shatan has grown more powerful of late.
There are few who will actively reject immigration. People wanting to go through the hardship of moving to a new location to build a better life for themselves. They CHOOSE TO emmigrate.
There are many who just want to build a better life for themselves in their own back yard. They CHOOSE NOTto emmigrate.
That conscious choice separates people in a natural selection of those who have the desire and are willing to go through the hardships.
With the UN and globalist gubmint leaders, that choice becomes free money. This isn't the natural selection of those who are willing to work hard and endure hardships to attain their dream.
Rather, this is an astroturf, forced migration of the least skilled and least motivated group to collect free room and board. This destroys the culture to which they emmigrate.
As the culture of a place is detroyed, that 'place' ceases to exist beyond a geopraphical location. The place where these people have been relocated becomes just as undesireable as the place they left.
If you put a good employee with a bad employee, you destroy the good employee. This is the same with the astroturf immigration and an existing cutlure.
the exploitive domination of Africa needs to end and the support and encouragement of the development, growth and prosperity of Africa needs to become mainstream - with their prosperity and development will come stability.
Why on TV there are continuous adverts for 'clean water' to many children. We did this in the 70's or 80's - Live Aid etc. so many years later what went wrong - perhaps the luxury boat companies and swiss chalets did well.
Agree the problem is at the source - make it a nice country which you respect and don't want to leave.
Good article Dominic! We are in an age of mass migration and trying to manage it with mindsets based on the European Convention on Human Rights of 1950 and the Geneva Convention of 1951. Time for the politicians and commentators to wake up and smell the mustard, preferably in a non-racist way (as you have done). Western Europe cannot solve the world's problems, much as it would like to in an ideal world.
As you say immigration pressures will only increase. I think what we have got catastrophically wrong in the West is the conflation of citizenship with residency/work permits. Other parts of the world realise the need for foreign labour and permit them to reside in the country on visas/passes etc. But the idea that they will inevitably become citizens or overstay their welcome is out of the question. We catastrophically undervalued the worth of citizenship in our 'imagined communities' and gave away passports like confetti. Historically this will be seen as a disastrous decision. We should have been far more discerning.
Recent events have made me reconsider moving abroad. I spent much of my 20s living overseas but now have quite a geographically static job. I am looking to change that so I can live somewhere where I am not loathed, taxed to the hilt, and have to suffer ever-worsening infrastructure. I'm about as patriotic as they come but I fail to see the benefit in being so. The world has changed, and it's stupid not to change with it.
Anyway, good piece.
Thanks Frederick!
Very true- when I lived in Taiwan I met a few Filipinos, they were on (IIRC) 5 year, non-renewable work visas which would not get them permanent residence or any path the citizenship (my own work visa was also pretty limited, I remember being told if you lost your job you had 30 (>?) days to find a new one or you'd be deported!)
Bravermen said its easy for us as an Island to stop immigration. The problem is the government pro actively hand out 100,000s of visas.
Anyway, this is our ancestral homeland not just an economic zone open to the World in the interests of international finance capitalism.
I am a Canadian. I studied English history and literature in high school. I love English culture. I speak English as my first language although I have an Italian heritage. I would like England to remain English even if it is smaller as a result of a declining birth rate. I DON'T want England to become another Nigeria or Pakistan but with a British accent!
Well said! We haven't even gotten to the stage of discussing the issue. It's much easier and convenient to call any debate "racist" as you said. Dublin is in the midst of a massive migration problem - far too large for our resourses. .Many are illegal immigrants that got turfed out of the U.K because they didn't want to go to Rwanda. So, what's being done? Freeze! Nothing is being done as the number of people keep flooding in for a better life. I'd be happy if they started with safety. The police force is not equipped for the new problems that arise. Overall, the country is in chaos and like you said, it's all swept under the carpet.
Thanks Orla
I’m heading to Brazil probably. Son has dual nationality. As far away from Islam as I can possibly get even if their government is as corrupt wacko and commie as ours.
Argentina very tempting
Portugal gets my vote
Yeah had thought of that too but don’t know enough about the migrants issue. There’s a company that arranges hotdesk work home schooling too for various tax efficient locations which sounds interesting includes Portugal
What a great and clear minded article. We could do with a bit more of that when discussing this issue, and a bit less histrionics.
Thank you!
My part of East London collapsed into Mogadishu in the 80s. Moved to Ilford, the same has now happened. Look forward to this happening to you.
Nature destroys the nieve.
In 2015-16 Dr Rafaelo Pantucci at RUSI ran a research series on Countering the Lone Actor Terrorist. One key finding is: these people are always second-generation immigrants, who decide they do not fit in here, try going to where their parents came from and do not fit in there, then radicalise. All the attacks this century have been by this group: they were all born here when the immigrant group was much smaller. In the last 20 years, the official estimate is 10million new arrivals. If they each have only 2 children and one tenth of one percent radicalise to the point of violence, that is 10000 people. Sobering.
https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/occasional-papers/lone-actor-terrorism-final-report
Did not know that. How interesting and yes how sobering
Of course. You want a BMW, nice house, nice wife(s) and kids (lots) going to school. You aint' going to get that on welfare or picking strawberries on some farm.
Certainly not from those well-known, liberal welfare nations of the middle east, the sub-continent, and most of Africa. The UK is giving away citizenship and welfare like sweets, just not to the native taxpayer and citizen. Very troubling indeed. :(
A big 'pull' is the (not unjustified) view that if they make it to the west they will get lots of freebies from the welfare states. I don't agree that nothing can be done to stop migration, if these benefits were removed (e.g. the school where I work has numerous students who are the children of migrants and/or were born overseas- maybe they should be charged for schooling) it would reduce numbers.
At the end of the day I want the British natives to remain a majority of the UK population (on current trends we will be a minority in a few decades).
BTW Dominic- were you aware Zimbabwe reintroduced a gold backed currency this year? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe_Gold
I was not. Thank you
"If you are young...". Why limit it to the young?
Indeed!
Well, maybe those young people really ought to travel as a part of their basic education (un-steered by the authorities); get an idea of what family life is like in the great abroad; recognise that, for the most part, that everyone else is broadly just like us (and this takes a bit of contemplation); return and help think it all through in a useful, lifelong manner.
I think your Asian count is too high and Indian too low. India 1.45 billion alone. Excellent piece. Mass movement is inevitable.
I think you’re probably right, though I spent ages on the numbers
During Roman times migrants had to make a case why they would benefit society. Turning up was not enough. Sweden are making changes to migration criteria. If it works, the rest of Europe will follow.
I didn't know that. Was that not somebody wanting to become a citizen?
Peter Jones in the Spectator. Did an article on how the Romans dealt with immigration.
I forget what the going rate for a boat trip is - 2000$?
The price will rise if push back from the borders (at some point) - 5000$ - 10,000$ that will kill the trade as unaffordable.
So currently it is affordable perhaps with support from local incumbents and not much resistance from our so called government.
The government purse is empty apparently, outside of printing, so squeeze the middle classes a bit more until GDP goes further down the toilet.
For us 'gammons' who were brought up on WWI and WWII and still love London and our country its hard to say - dump it and become 'a foreigner in a foreign land'.
Maybe I can fight the good fight from afar (words) without risk of the 'thought police' or 'Ministry of Truth' - good god dusting down 1984 by Mr Orwell - unfortunately he seem prescient but off with the timing (forgiven). Shatan has grown more powerful of late.
There are few who will actively reject immigration. People wanting to go through the hardship of moving to a new location to build a better life for themselves. They CHOOSE TO emmigrate.
There are many who just want to build a better life for themselves in their own back yard. They CHOOSE NOTto emmigrate.
That conscious choice separates people in a natural selection of those who have the desire and are willing to go through the hardships.
With the UN and globalist gubmint leaders, that choice becomes free money. This isn't the natural selection of those who are willing to work hard and endure hardships to attain their dream.
Rather, this is an astroturf, forced migration of the least skilled and least motivated group to collect free room and board. This destroys the culture to which they emmigrate.
As the culture of a place is detroyed, that 'place' ceases to exist beyond a geopraphical location. The place where these people have been relocated becomes just as undesireable as the place they left.
If you put a good employee with a bad employee, you destroy the good employee. This is the same with the astroturf immigration and an existing cutlure.
Join the Merchant Navy. See the worst of both worlds! 😁
Haha
the exploitive domination of Africa needs to end and the support and encouragement of the development, growth and prosperity of Africa needs to become mainstream - with their prosperity and development will come stability.
Why on TV there are continuous adverts for 'clean water' to many children. We did this in the 70's or 80's - Live Aid etc. so many years later what went wrong - perhaps the luxury boat companies and swiss chalets did well.
Agree the problem is at the source - make it a nice country which you respect and don't want to leave.
So why should I leave London England.
Good article Dominic! We are in an age of mass migration and trying to manage it with mindsets based on the European Convention on Human Rights of 1950 and the Geneva Convention of 1951. Time for the politicians and commentators to wake up and smell the mustard, preferably in a non-racist way (as you have done). Western Europe cannot solve the world's problems, much as it would like to in an ideal world.
It's so hubristic of us to think we can. Same goes for climate change
Anyway when is Condor being taken over. My margin is costing me dearly!
Just asking for a rich (poor) capitalist friend.
It's all taking a lot longer than hoped!