I agree 100% with Dominic about seed oils! I've written and published a fair bit concerning the relative health benefits of different fats. For example, this paper which has become a bit of a citation classic (I'm the fourth author, but I did actually write it myself): ω-3 Fatty-Acid Enriched Parenteral Nutrition in Hospitalized Patients: Systematic Review With Meta-Analysis and Trial Sequential Analysis (see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31250474/).
To sum-up the last 20 years of research, omega-6 oils (seed oils contain the most omega-6) are actively unhealthy as they can worsen hyperinflammatory states associated with illnesses, trauma, and major surgery. Some other oils such as olive oils, are relatively neutral (i.e. not unhealthy, per se), whereas marine sources of omega-3 (e.g. cod liver oil) can have beneficial/anti-inflammatory effects. Non-marine (generally seed-based) sources of omega-3 are not good, as either the omega-3 oils are processed out of them, or even if you use raw seeds naturally rich in omega-3 the omega-3 is not bioavailable and so pretty useless. Also, I do not worry about saturated fat at all, in moderation (e.g. butter, lard, beef dripping) as it's a myth about saturated fat being particularly bad for you based on early research that was awful/cherry picking/fraudulent, but many doctors still believe this particular dogma. Every couple of weeks I drive 7 miles to the nearest village chip shop that fries all their food in beef dripping. It's very good.My advice is stick to natural unprocessed fats and oils: butter, lard, beef dripping, and olive oil, and try to eat oily fish (e.g. salmon, sardines and mackerel) now and again.
A simple rule is , “ if people weren’t eating it a hundred years ago then don’t eat it today”. Not sure where I got that one from, probably from you Dominic.
Thanks again, loved the “cloak and dagger” stuff in the CO OP.
Dominic you are right seed oils are everywhere. I am well in to my 70s and fat now. When I was a young child at home my mother cooked and made everything, not one of us had a weight problem. We were very poor but ate healthily. My father got paid cash each week and when he got paid, he brought us all a small bar of chocolate each. That was all the chocolate we had, one small bar a week. We NEVER ate between meals and would not have thought of doing so as we just did not have the food and it was not allowed.
When my husband died unexpectedly I just stopped cooking balanced meals - hence the fat. You ought to write a book about what products are seed oil free - it would be a best seller.
We have a Co-op in our village exactly the same as yours - they are all set out the same. And yes a lot of the food does look yummy.
However, whoever I speak to about seed oils look at me blank.
I think that your theory that seed oils cause the obesity problem is bonkers.
In the 1960s houses were literally freezing in winter, cars were rare so people walked long distances and most people did physical jobs in factories.
You say, in your video about seed oils, that people exercise more now. This simply isn't true. Gym membership may have risen but physical exercise was an everyday, and every task, part of life.
Just doing the washing was a hard physical workout before washing machines became affordable. Men used to dig the roads by hand and die at 62 because their bodies were worn out.
Thanks Paul. For sure we have less incidental exercise, and being cold burns fat.
But seed oils and a relatively new addition to our diet and their proliferation correlates precisely with rising obesity rates. Even if it isn't seed oils, it's something in processed food, and by avoiding seed oils you avoid processed food so the practice is beneficial either way
article, but seems to back up your point Dominic re vegetable/seed oils. Cold pressed rapeseed seems to be the middle class guilt free version but reckon I’ll just switch to avocado oil for the small amount of rapeseed I use…. Thanks :)
Wow! Lots of rapeseed oil in the UK. Regardless of the specifics, you are pointing out the major issue: The seed oils are in everything! No wonder everybody’s sick! OK, this is one of many issues we are facing today.
To remain independent, we need to be healthy, first. Exercising some discernment about who we listen to, what food we eat, and what other things we allow into our bodies is super-important!
Dominic, Like you I try to avoid seed oil, and like you I find it tough. I noticed the other day that it’s even in the pre cooked rice packets that you might add to a stir fry or have with a curry… Why? I have no idea.. anyway one thing I noticed from your video was you classed palm oil as a seed oil. Its not. Palm oil is a saturated fat, like butter , lard or cocoa butter. So from a health point of view it’s probably ok. The reason it gets a bad rep is that it is often produced in areas where rainforest has been cleared to make way for the plantation.. I think Groundnut oil is ok too, but don’t quote me on that..
Good grief, Dom; you are a good 10-15 years behind me in your health journey, so take heed…
Please don’t tarnish your reputation by diverging into nutritional science; you’re a funny guy, you’ve got good political insight, literacy and prowess, but you haven’t spent 20+ years studying and researching biochemistry, physiology and nutritional science.
These aren’t fields you can meander into and quickly espouse authority over. Stop listening to chiropractors who - because they can call themselves Doctors after Masters level musculoskeletal training (no PhD, no tenure, etc), find that they can make a lot of money on YouTube spouting the same insidious alternative narrative as the rest of the frauds; ultimately, you’ll make people ill (because you’ll convince people they should focus on the wrong things).
Trying to help him by nipping this in the bud; he’ll be telling us artificial sweeteners are bad for us next, oh, except Stevia because that’s natural 🤦🏻♂️
I agree 100% with Dominic about seed oils! I've written and published a fair bit concerning the relative health benefits of different fats. For example, this paper which has become a bit of a citation classic (I'm the fourth author, but I did actually write it myself): ω-3 Fatty-Acid Enriched Parenteral Nutrition in Hospitalized Patients: Systematic Review With Meta-Analysis and Trial Sequential Analysis (see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31250474/).
To sum-up the last 20 years of research, omega-6 oils (seed oils contain the most omega-6) are actively unhealthy as they can worsen hyperinflammatory states associated with illnesses, trauma, and major surgery. Some other oils such as olive oils, are relatively neutral (i.e. not unhealthy, per se), whereas marine sources of omega-3 (e.g. cod liver oil) can have beneficial/anti-inflammatory effects. Non-marine (generally seed-based) sources of omega-3 are not good, as either the omega-3 oils are processed out of them, or even if you use raw seeds naturally rich in omega-3 the omega-3 is not bioavailable and so pretty useless. Also, I do not worry about saturated fat at all, in moderation (e.g. butter, lard, beef dripping) as it's a myth about saturated fat being particularly bad for you based on early research that was awful/cherry picking/fraudulent, but many doctors still believe this particular dogma. Every couple of weeks I drive 7 miles to the nearest village chip shop that fries all their food in beef dripping. It's very good.My advice is stick to natural unprocessed fats and oils: butter, lard, beef dripping, and olive oil, and try to eat oily fish (e.g. salmon, sardines and mackerel) now and again.
Thanks Richard!
I'm minded of the recent Flora adverts, with Gordon Ramsey, that go to lengths to portray eating animal derived products as somehow odd and unnatural
It's evil!
Going on seedy oleaginous sellers walkabout would be fun.
“Dr. Dyingstone, I presume?”
Bring your boomerang.
A simple rule is , “ if people weren’t eating it a hundred years ago then don’t eat it today”. Not sure where I got that one from, probably from you Dominic.
Thanks again, loved the “cloak and dagger” stuff in the CO OP.
I think that's a sensible maxim
Dominic you are right seed oils are everywhere. I am well in to my 70s and fat now. When I was a young child at home my mother cooked and made everything, not one of us had a weight problem. We were very poor but ate healthily. My father got paid cash each week and when he got paid, he brought us all a small bar of chocolate each. That was all the chocolate we had, one small bar a week. We NEVER ate between meals and would not have thought of doing so as we just did not have the food and it was not allowed.
When my husband died unexpectedly I just stopped cooking balanced meals - hence the fat. You ought to write a book about what products are seed oil free - it would be a best seller.
We have a Co-op in our village exactly the same as yours - they are all set out the same. And yes a lot of the food does look yummy.
However, whoever I speak to about seed oils look at me blank.
The word is slowly spreading thank goodness!
Good.
I think that your theory that seed oils cause the obesity problem is bonkers.
In the 1960s houses were literally freezing in winter, cars were rare so people walked long distances and most people did physical jobs in factories.
You say, in your video about seed oils, that people exercise more now. This simply isn't true. Gym membership may have risen but physical exercise was an everyday, and every task, part of life.
Just doing the washing was a hard physical workout before washing machines became affordable. Men used to dig the roads by hand and die at 62 because their bodies were worn out.
Thanks Paul. For sure we have less incidental exercise, and being cold burns fat.
But seed oils and a relatively new addition to our diet and their proliferation correlates precisely with rising obesity rates. Even if it isn't seed oils, it's something in processed food, and by avoiding seed oils you avoid processed food so the practice is beneficial either way
What is wrong with Rapeseed Oil?
https://www.theflyingfrisby.com/p/why-are-we-so-fat-and-unhealthy-seed
Is cold pressed rapeseed oil okay?
It's supposed to be, yes
The subtitles inform us there are "no seagulls in baked beans" lol. AI making better jokes than you now DF ;) Love the sweatshirt btw.
Oh I should have rooted that one out. Thanks though!
Well...the AI knows that there probably aren't seagulls in it, either. It's just trying to be helpful! ;-P
https://hunterandgatherfoods.com/blogs/research-articles/the-unsaturated-truth-drop-seed-oils-if-you-want-to-be-healthy
I can’t distill all this as a chunky
article, but seems to back up your point Dominic re vegetable/seed oils. Cold pressed rapeseed seems to be the middle class guilt free version but reckon I’ll just switch to avocado oil for the small amount of rapeseed I use…. Thanks :)
Thanks Julie!
Cold Pressed Rape Seed Oil should be fine. But that it's it. The rest of it must be a swerve. Please tell me I am right on that?
I think you are
Great stuff Dominic. A good rule of thumb is ‘only eat food’. Not as daft as it sounds.
Tho fried chicken gets a pass. 😋
Yes. That makes sense. Chicken fried in tallow - yum!
In the US we are starting to see things like avocado oil - based mayo. My wife makes our own, too. This Easter, she used that in our deviled eggs!
Yum!
Wow! Lots of rapeseed oil in the UK. Regardless of the specifics, you are pointing out the major issue: The seed oils are in everything! No wonder everybody’s sick! OK, this is one of many issues we are facing today.
To remain independent, we need to be healthy, first. Exercising some discernment about who we listen to, what food we eat, and what other things we allow into our bodies is super-important!
Indeedy!
Almost impossible to find mayo with out Rapeseed
I know - you have to make it yourself.
Or try:
https://hunterandgatherfoods.com/products/classic-olive-oil-mayonnaise
Dominic, Like you I try to avoid seed oil, and like you I find it tough. I noticed the other day that it’s even in the pre cooked rice packets that you might add to a stir fry or have with a curry… Why? I have no idea.. anyway one thing I noticed from your video was you classed palm oil as a seed oil. Its not. Palm oil is a saturated fat, like butter , lard or cocoa butter. So from a health point of view it’s probably ok. The reason it gets a bad rep is that it is often produced in areas where rainforest has been cleared to make way for the plantation.. I think Groundnut oil is ok too, but don’t quote me on that..
Thanks Tom. Fair enough - and palm oil use goes back too, so I guess it's ok. I don't entirely trust it though
Good grief, Dom; you are a good 10-15 years behind me in your health journey, so take heed…
Please don’t tarnish your reputation by diverging into nutritional science; you’re a funny guy, you’ve got good political insight, literacy and prowess, but you haven’t spent 20+ years studying and researching biochemistry, physiology and nutritional science.
These aren’t fields you can meander into and quickly espouse authority over. Stop listening to chiropractors who - because they can call themselves Doctors after Masters level musculoskeletal training (no PhD, no tenure, etc), find that they can make a lot of money on YouTube spouting the same insidious alternative narrative as the rest of the frauds; ultimately, you’ll make people ill (because you’ll convince people they should focus on the wrong things).
Layne Norton on seed oils https://youtu.be/nZJQykD5DWQ
Read Outlive by Peter Attia to start you down the right path 😎👊🏼
I think that’s a little harsh tbh.
Trying to help him by nipping this in the bud; he’ll be telling us artificial sweeteners are bad for us next, oh, except Stevia because that’s natural 🤦🏻♂️
To be fair, been there, done that.